Conversation between Rainald Franz, curator of the glass and ceramics collection at the MAK – Austrian Museum of Applied Arts/Contemporary Art in Vienna, and Paola Petrobelli, a London-based designer who works between glass, light, and modular systems. The conversation will extend the exhibition's themes into a broader reflection on the materials, making, and genealogies of contemporary design, and will be open to public intervention. Following, drinks and informal moment.